Mod Shoes Founder Andrew Lindsay on Business Stress, Music & Talking It Through - Pt2
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Gary Johannes:back to Inspired Men Talk. If you've not heard part one yet, maybe you should go back and start there. It'll make more sense. In part one, we set the scene. Now we pick up where it gets real.
Gary Johannes:This is the part most men never talk about, and exactly why we made this podcast. Let's get started.
Peter Ely:Yeah. So I I think, actually, there's some really good advice that you've you've kind of brought out there. Talking, even if it's too AI, has has really helped you. Having that having that movement of not just the exercise, but the physical location. I I had a client, and he and his wife had gone through a really hard time, and they'd they'd had five miscarriages.
Peter Ely:And
Andrew Lindsay:yeah. And one of the
Peter Ely:things that came out at the end of it was that they decided to move house because the house had too many bad memories. And so many people have that. So so that whole kind of movement thing is a really nice thing, I think, as a piece of advice for people.
Andrew Lindsay:Jeremy Parsons says about that in his book. There's one of his books, one of his novels, and a couple have a how should we say I I don't wanna say the word. Where are they where are babies not wanted? Right. And and once you've got that information in a relationship, that relationship's doomed.
Andrew Lindsay:But, yeah, I hate I'm I'm sure it's not. You you know? But it but it's it's too much information then, isn't it? It's it's yeah. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes shift because that's what we're talking about is a whole shift, physical and mental. So it's interesting. You said earlier about having a work in place.
Gary Johannes:So I work from my office, isn't at home. I went networking, business networking this morning, and I was talking to a chap who has been working from home, and I've known him for years, and he's been working from home for probably twenty years. And he comes networking or he goes networking just so he's not at home. So he needs an outlet because, otherwise, he just lives and works and is survives at home. So he actually goes out to find himself not at work.
Gary Johannes:And I find the other thing which really encourages me, I dress for work every day. Doesn't go to work. Otherwise, I sit in my dressing gown and work most of the time. You know? Yep.
Andrew Lindsay:Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:And the pandemic proved that.
Andrew Lindsay:How many
Gary Johannes:people only ever dressed at the top because it was on Zoom and then wore shorts on the bottom than their slippers.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Does that does that help you go in to physically Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:I understand, buddy. Yeah. I'll the the only problem is I wish I could wear more of our clothing to to work. But the problem is I don't wanna ruin all of it because No. You pick up boxes and covering yourself in in dirt and stuff, you know, picking up.
Andrew Lindsay:I think yes. I think it's important. I think there is you're totally right about that. It's about taking yourself out of, pardon me, out of one place and putting yourself somewhere else. And it's interesting that this friend I was talking about who's you know, doesn't go out.
Andrew Lindsay:He went to a more than soldier the other day, but it was on, a wider way.
Peter Ely:And he
Andrew Lindsay:come back and buzzing, and he just doesn't do that enough anymore. Yeah. And I think that's important. Do something you don't normally do. You you know?
Andrew Lindsay:I've just been to Sam Sebastian. I've in loads of places. Lovely. Or drinking wine, you know, eating the Pinchos, which are the little food things and drinking wine. Brilliant.
Andrew Lindsay:You know, you come working on you know, you think, god, could do this for the rest of my life. Yeah. And I think that's important. We we we end up in this kind of everything in the world's going wrong. And and if only I could change my world while sitting at home doing absolutely nothing about changing my world.
Andrew Lindsay:Aside. Yeah. Get a toilet. Go to walk. Do anything.
Andrew Lindsay:You know, it's all Yeah. Anyway.
Gary Johannes:So do you now live to work or work to live?
Andrew Lindsay:Now that's a very good point, Gary, because the the changeover was is that the mod thing and the scooter boy thing was very much my hobby. Mhmm. And I could all find myself when people start wanting to talk about the mod thing. I'm like, can we talk about someone else? No.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. But it's fine because if I'm mind dropping it, you know, I'm most famous various famous people, and they always wanna talk about shoes and how they get made. And that's fine because I wanna talk to them about how they made, I don't know, such and such a record. But they're sort of like, oh god. Not that story again.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? But, you know, it's kind of it's what what you're into. So some days, I can be a bit like, let's can we please talk about someone else? But my trick is I've got projects on the go all the while, Gary. So my little projects, I've just done a load of work in my my home at home during the the bar and all of that.
Andrew Lindsay:And I've also been learning keyboards for the last few years. And, you know, I can play piano okay now. You know? So or Hammond organ.
Gary Johannes:Nice. What what are the things you just one of the things which you've just reminded me of, and years ago, I read Alan Sugar's autobiography. And he said he he used to buy stuff, take it apart so he could reverse engineer it almost, and then get office get his team to build it. So he knew how to do everything. And I remember and it's only just occurred to me, but I remember probably ten years ago that you started to sew to learn how to make a pair of trousers.
Andrew Lindsay:So Yeah. Yeah. But that's but it's not that odd.
Gary Johannes:I mean, I know for me, it'll be impossible, but you needed to learn it. It's like you sold shoes, but you went to see how they were made. You know how a pair of shoes get together rather than just trade shoes.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. But that but that's just my inquisitive mind.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. But I I would do that.
Andrew Lindsay:No. No. Most people don't do that, Gary. Most people don't. I get I get the odd sharky comment from people like, oh, you're always shocking.
Andrew Lindsay:You're right. You're always getting more rude. And I go, no. I don't I'm not lucky. I make luck because I can't put myself out.
Andrew Lindsay:One of my dreams is when I talk, clearly, like talking. And I talk when I DJ. And most most DJs are like, what's the music that matters, man? And I go, yeah. Alright.
Andrew Lindsay:Clever ticks. Yeah. But it isn't, you know, it's cool if sometimes you gotta you gotta get people to not necessarily like you, but you gotta lie in the mood and and stop them sitting there like this, listening to, yeah, it's not really nice in here, is it? Yeah. You know?
Andrew Lindsay:It's a little bit boring, ain't it? So you gotta get them looking at you. And and the trick I've always looked is if you got them off the phones, generally, you can do what you like then and keep playing whatever. You'll get them dancing. Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:And but that's the trick. You've got to but that's for the reason of sort of playing that things, Gary. So the start getting back to the sewing thing is I quite like to work out how things go together. Because once you know that, you could if if you're gonna go, but I've got parachute, have it? I mean, shoes shoes are actually a little bit easier than clothes to get made because you tend to just adapt them rather than make something fresh.
Andrew Lindsay:Do you understand what I'm trying to say? It's it's hard to explain it. I can explain it if you want,
Gary Johannes:but how does that give you a business edge?
Andrew Lindsay:Because you you because you you understand, there's like shoes and stuff like so for instance, leather leather soled shoes are more expensive than, like, a rubber soled shoes for obvious reasons because they're leather sold. Because there's more leather, and the leather comes from an animal. It can't be I know that sounds ridiculous, but it's about, like, the amount of hours it goes into having them made. So if you take, the little pumps we do, which are, like, like, a core material on top, you know, lace and underneath, have some vulcan always rubber, you know, that's more they're £40, and a pair of load things are £220. But more importantly, you also understand the techniques that make them.
Andrew Lindsay:If they made them in The UK, those saying things at £40 would probably be £90 because the cost of living and all of that. Think so you just all this, you should go on. You just know?
Gary Johannes:It just occurred to me, so I did wonder how you connect the inquisitive mind to knowing more about business and having being able to have a better conversation. Well, no. And, actually, better
Andrew Lindsay:Not my whole life. Yeah. Yep. My whole life, as I've told you before about the grinder and the spillers and the bread and all of that and you know? But the point of that is is that grandad got a drum that in my head when I was eight years old was that what he was really saying with that him having that transistor as opposed to using valves was what he's really saying is that's the future, son.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. And and, well, do do you do you understand? And so, like, well, don't don't dismiss anything. Understand that that might be something that's important.
Gary Johannes:So you've mentioned AI earlier.
Andrew Lindsay:Mhmm.
Gary Johannes:This morning, I heard people dismissing out of hand, and I was in the industry of web design and things like that. And I'm like, okay. I'm not gonna talk to you guys at the moment. And then you've talked about your granddad and a transistor. One, tell us the story because other people wouldn't have heard it.
Gary Johannes:And two, how does that relate to AI and the next wave?
Andrew Lindsay:Well, okay. See, it's really simple. After the Second World War, grandad had been in the war, and he went back to spillers. Spillers are the dog food people, and he was part of the people that were making bread that lasted more than a couple of days. If you build make breads, you mix it together.
Andrew Lindsay:You make it at home. You put it in the the the oven. You take it out. And then within two days, the thing's gonna be rock hard, and it's you know? Because of the way it is.
Andrew Lindsay:So without putting too far before in it, you have to put additives in it.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. So if you put
Andrew Lindsay:in but it's not just a case of when you put the additives in. It's about what temperatures you take them up to, how you do the drill at the time, and all of the kind of brick and roll with it. So you you kinda got to activate. So Glenmore was part of the team at Spillers, so I believe. But what he did is he made a recorder that would record what was happening to the bread and the temperature all the way through.
Andrew Lindsay:Now this is before computers, so we had wires coming out the oven, things like that. So you don't just put it into an oven. It goes through a conveyor belt and threw lots of different things. And as I think I've explained to you before, Gary, he also when he turned they turned the bread. But when they turned the bread, he let a ball bearing go, and that would measure how long the ball bearing got there.
Andrew Lindsay:So it'd measure how thick the bread was, and granddad probably got that right within one or two goes.
Gary Johannes:Wow.
Andrew Lindsay:And so so that that's amazing. But he got that job because he went to his boss and said, I wanna order one of these things called a transistor. And and he said to and his boss said, no. There's no future in that. There's no future in that.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? That's less like we're just gonna stick with these vows. These vows do the trick. We know how we are. We've got all of these people.
Andrew Lindsay:They all know what they're doing. And so my gland had been my grandad, and I'm like this. He went to the boss boss and said, I wanna order one of these transistors. Boris, I and Chris. Well, this little transistor would replace all of these things, and it allows you to do that.
Andrew Lindsay:Well, how much is it? Was like you said, anyway, find the man in in America because it was in America. You have the second one brought to The UK, and then my grandma got put in charge of development. That's been us all. That's how the story goes.
Andrew Lindsay:So see, somebody like that. It's a family story. But the point is the point is everybody else going, oh, no. No. No.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? My granny was like, you know, but you can't that's the future. It's hard luck. It's coming. It's coming down the the track.
Andrew Lindsay:Now hang on a minute. I'll I'll give you something that I'm gonna have to be I'll I'll be careful how I do it. But let's just say the business and all the problems I had. I took one of the contracts that I had from the business before. I literally took it on this phone, took a picture, click click click click click click.
Andrew Lindsay:Right? Uploaded it. What what what can I do? And it and it told me things that I thought, well, I didn't know that. I only had five friends read it, and not one of them understood.
Andrew Lindsay:And there was one tiny little bit in it that said, well, this is protected by the protected thing, and that means that that that you they can't do this, doesn't it? And it's like, how would I know
Gary Johannes:that? Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. We know someone's gonna say, well, Andy, you'd put somebody out of a job there. This is a solicitor or an adviser or a few books. And how would I known to ask that person that question in the first place? Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:And that just drives me insane. And I know people are scared about losing their jobs, and I know all of this stuff, but you're not going to stop it, and that's hard luck. Yeah. That's just hard luck. Yeah.
Gary Johannes:John, like Sorry. Holes in the
Andrew Lindsay:one in the soapbox. Is that alright?
Gary Johannes:Well, it's similar to the holes in the tractor. So I I was just interested to, one, on that story, and I think other people will be interested in it. And two Yeah. We're going through the same evolution now as we've done probably a 100 or thousand or 10,000 times before where we're moving forward.
Peter Ely:Well, you you think about all three of us in our lifetime. Right? And all of us lived pre Internet, pre mobile phones, pre Google. All of those things have made a benefit to our lives, and now AI is gonna potentially be another one of those things as you've you've found out. Right?
Peter Ely:It is part of the cycle of how life moves forward.
Andrew Lindsay:It is. Yeah. I mean, I I understand why let's not get political, but I can understand why wants to do the things around the sixteenth. I think there's certain things, but there's huge debate about YouTube. YouTube I don't really love YouTube when I was a kid.
Andrew Lindsay:Because, you know, I could watch endless beetles things. How do you like, my pond. How do you get a pond to work? How do you get the filter thing to come in and work? All of that stuff.
Andrew Lindsay:Then you can say, well, I could have gone to a shop. I could have done that. So knowledge was slower, which is fine, but I I still how can I explain? I probably wouldn't have bothered with the pond.
Gary Johannes:How many of those things would you have known needed to know pre 16? When you was 15 or 12, would you need to know how to wrap up?
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. No. No. No. No, Gary.
Andrew Lindsay:Because this is this is this is the thing. If when I was learning bass, we were learning bass back in the day where the school teacher said, can you hold music? No. Well, I'm what you're not in the you're not gonna be a figure. This is in the days where proper music Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? And he's he's you know? But it was it another four years later, you got more progressive teachers, and they say, well, you can play the clash. You wanna play the jam. You know, I'll teach you how to do that.
Andrew Lindsay:But, Jimmy, my day, they got after us because we wanted to play madness.
Gary Johannes:Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:And madness, like, well, I they're playing massive kicks now. She was right.
Gary Johannes:Do you
Andrew Lindsay:do understand what I'm trying to say? And people people will have this this wonderful thing where everything back then was more honorable and more better over and everything and all this, well, they're all rubbish.
Gary Johannes:Do you
Andrew Lindsay:do you do you know what I mean? Things come along when things change, and this generation will be watching a thing now in twenty years, someone go, what corner be? It's just ludicrous.
Gary Johannes:And and and in two hundred years, they'll be looking back on modern history and going, did they really do that in 20 in, you know, between the year 2000 and 2030? Was life really were people really doing that sort of stuff? The the stuff we're doing now, I think, will almost be laughed at in the future.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. I mean, I think probably in the future, they'll make a microphone move closer to your lips, and you'd always make a sound call. You're
Gary Johannes:such an asshole. What the
Peter Ely:A funny one, though. A very funny one, Mike. That was a cracking joke and well played, sir. Yeah. I want to I want to talk
Gary Johannes:to back. You know that.
Andrew Lindsay:You you've talked so much about when following galley and rang like this.
Gary Johannes:I I I a little snippet. I once was invited to do a talk at an event, and they gave me a handheld mic, but I'm very impressive with my hands. So I'm like, and then you do this, and the mic was in my hand. So I'm and, you know, you need to do this and do this and that. They couldn't hear it work because I kept waving the mic around.
Gary Johannes:So is he Oh
Peter Ely:my god.
Gary Johannes:Handheld.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yeah. But but this but this is the thing, Carrie, is it? This is look. To get back to that YouTube thing, if you would like I'm saying to you about sound quality, you know, that's just to say, how can I get my my podcast to sound better?
Andrew Lindsay:I'm not saying it sounds bad, but you understand what I'm trying to say. That's
Gary Johannes:But I have used YouTube, and it said I'm now too close to the mic. YouTube told me this.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah.
Gary Johannes:You know? The ideal place for this is to be shut off 45 degrees from my feet and at least that far from my mouth. So that is ideal.
Andrew Lindsay:Okay.
Gary Johannes:So YouTube says.
Peter Ely:They're not always right. It's opinion. Right? It's an opinion. I wanted
Andrew Lindsay:Look. Look. This is this is more about mental health because that's your opinion and what works for you might be completely different for somebody else. Apparently, when Dusty Springfield used to sing, she sounds like she's really loud, don't she? You know?
Andrew Lindsay:You know? Know?
Gary Johannes:Really
Andrew Lindsay:Yes. Used to sing very close to the microphone and was very quiet, but the microphones made her sound louder. Really? Do you understand I'm this the last year?
Gary Johannes:We we've had people when I used to play or not play, but when I used to have a live music venue, we have the sound engineer would turn some people's mics off because they were so loud and have other people's mics on full volume and hope that they were speaking louder because they were so quiet in their singing, in their projection of their voice.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. But but that's a trick, Gary, because you if the if the microphone if they start doing this with the microphone, it's because they can hear themselves too loudly in the monitor mix. You turn the monitor mix out, and then the microphone goes back.
Gary Johannes:Some people are naturally loud, and some people are naturally quiet. Yeah. Yeah. I'd to say I'm naturally quiet.
Peter Ely:No comment.
Andrew Lindsay:No. And I can just see the the peaks from the pink floor down. Hey.
Gary Johannes:Okay. Right. Okay. That's it.
Andrew Lindsay:Gary. Thank you. Moving on.
Peter Ely:So I wanna talk because you you you talk a lot about music and a lot of your references of music, and I know music plays a really important part of your life. Yeah. Just tell us a little bit about that part of your life, about that time. What was it that drew you into music? What was it that kind of kept you with music?
Peter Ely:Just tell us a little bit about that part of your life, please.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yeah. I'm more than happy to. I'm very lucky. I think from my first memories of listening to the Beatles from my dad's, you know, one of those kind of stand alone things, and I still got that album.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? It was my dad's collection of oldies, but Goldies. It's brilliant. And I was very lucky because I've seen a good story about that, actually. I love the Beatles.
Andrew Lindsay:I really love the Beatles. I've been the newest things I've seen, the Benadorm Beatles bat about 15 times when I'm two sheets to the window over there and, you know, they're great. This this is gonna sound good, but it's not weird. I'm going home another day, and up the path comes this girl, and she must be about eight years old, and she's got a Beatles T shirt on. And I hadn't told anybody this story yet, and she's got this lovely Beatles T shirt.
Andrew Lindsay:And I said, oh, do you like the Beatles? Nevertheless, there's no you know, I sort said to her, what's your favorite Beatles song? And she said Oh, I And love she just woke up. She just was joyous. You know?
Andrew Lindsay:And she said, what was mine? I said, oh, I think it's dear Prudence these days. You know? And we chatted for a little bit longer. And I think that's the thing, isn't it?
Andrew Lindsay:I'm talking to an eight year old girl about a band, and she's connecting to them and they're making her life better. Yeah. Do you under do you understand? And I think when I was younger, you know, I got a guitar. I wanted to be George Harrison.
Andrew Lindsay:And if I'm joking, I always I still want to be George Harrison, you know, the guitarist in the Beatles. And I think that the important thing about the Beatles and why I don't want about them so much is in the sixties, in '66, you know, they elevated, and they made people feel that they were capable of doing stuff that perhaps they didn't think they were capable of doing. And and and punk was very looked very much like that. If, you know, take a take a band on Sherram 69, not the best band in the world, but they did invigorate quite a few people to start bands, and that's a good thing. I believe that that comes together.
Andrew Lindsay:Then on Sunday, I was playing in the Barrint and the with the contracts as well in Wiltsey Town Center. I stood there with Luke, he's DJing, grandson. And I said, it's amazing, isn't it? Look. All of those people are all happy.
Andrew Lindsay:We're not thinking about politics. We're not thinking about the house. We're not thinking about this, that, the other. Music is making all those people happy for that amount of time. Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:And it's bringing people together. Because, clearly, most of those people disagree about most things, and they allow a bit of a moan of, but they're dancing. They're having a beer, and they're just Yeah. And I'm I'm a great believer in music because I've been to gigs where just Polish people are. And I can't talk Polish.
Andrew Lindsay:They can't talk English, but we're jumping around and we're having a number. You know? Or yeah. And I I'm the reason I'm and that's why with sixty six, I try to make it like Paul McCartney said about the Beatles, all of the positive. Everything you try and you know, it's alright to sort of say, oh, this is awful.
Andrew Lindsay:All that's awful. But, you know, it's a bone on a groan. But mostly generally cheers us up, doesn't it? Yeah. It's it's been a good.
Andrew Lindsay:You know? It's kind of yeah. And so that's so, yeah, I have the burning barriers on my life. I've been on tour with people. I've played to 20,000 people at once.
Andrew Lindsay:No. Yeah. I worked with Edwin staff. Did a very mixed report. Who else?
Andrew Lindsay:I'm trying to think of other nice I know and I know quite a few peep because doing this now. Yeah. I know quite a few people through music for that because I want stuff usually. That's efficient. Nice.
Peter Ely:A nice thing. Gary, I'll let you ask the last question, and then I'll kinda hand back to Andy to to kinda just tell us a bit more about his business. But, yeah, go. Andy, last question.
Gary Johannes:Well, think I think the question I've got because this is Inspired Men Talk. And although you've not been at the hell of the end of some people, you've been through some troubled times. You've navigated through them in your own style, in your own way. If someone else was in that situation where business was hard, business was tight, you know, they looked out the window and they saw clouds all the time even on a sunny day, what would you say to them? How would you give advice?
Andrew Lindsay:It's it's one of those things, isn't it? Because think we're reasonably lucky in this country. I mean, I hate to say what's the worst that could happen because that's such a glib saying. It's just like, you know, cheap. You know, people say that people are depressed.
Andrew Lindsay:Well, then all you got depressed about. You know? It's all that sort of stuff. I think what is the worst that can happen? The worst that can happen is you end up in jail.
Andrew Lindsay:Is that which is pretty bad. Mhmm. It's not the baddest thing. Do do you understand what I'm trying to say? I do.
Andrew Lindsay:It's very easy to say, yeah, but I seem easy to say, Andy, oh, this man who's, you know, I don't know, a million pound, and I've got haven't got a million pound. What Keith Brown used to say about that, if you own someone a five, I'll give him it. If you own a million pounds, you're gonna have to sit down and talk it through. I don't know if it's Yeah. It's just very
Gary Johannes:advice. Talk it through.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. And is it Richard Richard Capaldi did that when he was seeing the doctor who, one of the doctor who's he said about that. He says, there's all this war stuff, but, ultimately, you're just gonna have to sit down and chat it through at some point. I think I think the I think where people get pressured, though, and I was pressured like this probably a little bit more than a year ago now, You've got, like, six people that you owe money to. And you think, well, I can't afford to pay them, and I can't I certainly can't pay them.
Andrew Lindsay:I'll do it. And, know, and so the whole thing's going around. You just you feel like you're spiraling. And that's why the spiraling, you've got you've got to jump off. Now don't jump off and kill yourself.
Andrew Lindsay:That's not what I mean at all. I mean, you've got to jump off. You've got to get off of that spiral. You know? And that's easy to say, but you have to.
Andrew Lindsay:And in my case, I I I just moved. And that moved decluttered, and decluttering, you know, we still took some problems with us, but we we got some rid of some problems. Do you understand how many useful like, if that if that's normal car, we got rid of that. Say again. Sorry?
Gary Johannes:Can I give you some distance?
Andrew Lindsay:Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Think so, Gary.
Gary Johannes:Distance is the is enough to see.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm I'm I'm I've luckily not made any rash decisions and owed people that are not very nice money, so I I don't I wouldn't know how to deal with that. I live in I'm in a nice business y sort of way, and, you know, at the end of the day, possibly the VAT man's not gonna get some money. You know mean?
Andrew Lindsay:But that's not, You know, that's not
Gary Johannes:Most people are in that place. So it gave you Yeah. So, I mean, in our terms, we might say, take action. You gotta do something. Jumping off, getting off that that merry-go-round so you can Yeah.
Gary Johannes:Back and look at the merry-go-round and see what's actually on it.
Andrew Lindsay:But I don't mean just a merry-go-round, Harry. I think the problem is it's a merry-go-round that's it's going like this. Yeah. And that that's the thing. It's it's it's what I call that race to the bottom stuff.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. You've got you've gotta go, hold on a minute. If I go a lot low, I'm gonna we ain't gonna get much further, so we we need to get off here now.
Gary Johannes:Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:You you but that's recognizing that, Gary. And I think I think we'll get people and know people that don't recognize it. Like, I was talking about the guys selling the nuts and bolts earlier. Yeah. His business is still there.
Andrew Lindsay:But, really, it'd have been a lot more easier for him if he'd just opened his eyes a bit. You know? That sounds like I'm being rude about
Gary Johannes:him all the time. Does pride get in does pride get in the way?
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. 100%. Of course, it does.
Gary Johannes:So maybe Yeah. Yeah. Pride come off before a fall, which is something my stepdad said to me all my, like, growing up years. Life comes before a fall. Sorry.
Gary Johannes:Pride becomes before a fall, and I never understood it until probably forty odd years later.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yeah. I I think so. Don't don't get me wrong. If if had it got wrong, there'd have been a turning up to an event would have been, oh, Andy.
Andrew Lindsay:Oh, Andy. Oh, Andy. In which case, I probably wouldn't have bothered going. Do you understand? Do you do you understand what I mean?
Andrew Lindsay:Because it can it can get too much. That sort of stuff can it's just too much. I think I'd probably just find someone else to do. And but I think that's probably why you need friends around you. You need just need people to sort of talk to.
Gary Johannes:Like
Andrew Lindsay:That's why talk to my eye. Yeah. It's just another person that will literally listen to you all the time.
Gary Johannes:I think if we tied all that advice together, really, ultimately, it's about talking it through. Fighting someone, something to articulate what's going on really so you're not making it up. Yeah. I think think the empty chair stream's good, Gary. The empty chair things.
Gary Johannes:I was talking about it this morning.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. That that I I mean, I don't think he needs any money, but he just needs places to go and do it and people to help. And I think that's amazing. That just such a simple idea, but that's strange. The simple idea is almost effective sometimes.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. Yep.
Gary Johannes:Okay. Peter, do you wanna join the session?
Peter Ely:I will do indeed. Andy, so thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us. Tell us a little bit about 66. Tell us where people can find you and and what you can do to for the clients and so on and so forth. Do a little plug.
Andrew Lindsay:Yeah. So, look, we do these days. It's mainly clothes now. I was doing some demos and AI script to help me find it out. Know.
Andrew Lindsay:We mainly sell we still sell sell some shoes, but it's mainly the sixty six Logan label like you can see here. Yeah. It's a lot of polos and T shirts and evocative of that time. There's the logo Gary's showing you. That's that's actually been trademarked there.
Andrew Lindsay:Do you know that? Nice. Wow. I did mark on it. And which, again, you know, and you say why?
Andrew Lindsay:How do I go back in a trademark? You don't like So you got 66cloudroom.com or mods.co.uk? We do. Next day most you know, if you order before one, you get it the next day, you know, most times. We've low we've been going, how old?
Andrew Lindsay:3016 fourteen years now. We've served something like a 100,000 customers differently. Wow. You know? And we've started And I think what do you call it?
Andrew Lindsay:TripAdvisor thing has probably got I think it's got I think we're on 4.9 or 4.8. And, of all that time we've been going, I think it was only, like, 12 people called us something rude. You know?
Gary Johannes:It was just you and I and me. 10 of those were me with different
Peter Ely:10 of those was Gary.
Andrew Lindsay:I'm I'm digging the damn chair for I put this, but one actually she's one of them was because we put a picture of Paul Weller up, and he got a full Palestine flag underneath. And this lady, she went hell for leather at me. She was going around all all the Facebooks and all the things trying to get me, like I was like, lord. I I just put a picture of Paul Weaver up. Please leave me alone.
Peter Ely:It's amazing. Yeah. It's incredible.
Andrew Lindsay:Get over here. Just one last thing to say about it. I you know, we've been selling we do lots of one offs. So we've just done this thing called the Alf jacket. There's a few of those left based on the sixty six World Cup jacket that Alf Ramsey wore.
Andrew Lindsay:So he's he's as near as damn it without the England badge. You know? And so that's the that's my kind of thing. I kinda get excited about that, as you can tell. Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:And we've got loads more coming through. And and and the one thing I've loved about this year is the things that I've done and the things I thought were okay are coming for fruitition, if that's a word, because people aren't buying our stuff, and it is starting to sell out, which is lovely because it means Nice. We're doing something right. Yeah. Yeah.
Peter Ely:Amazing. So thank you so much for your time, Andy. Thank you for for sharing. It's been really lovely having this conversation with you as it always is with all of our guests, but really enjoyed your chat. Thank you very much, Gary.
Peter Ely:And it's a reason.
Gary Johannes:To Andrew,
Andrew Lindsay:but I'm really proud. I mean, I know you you guys do this, and I've watched a few of your other things, you know, in the time. I've not watched all way through, so blatantly, that would be a lie. It's good that people do things like this. You know, I run a little thing called a curry club, and we do similar type thing where we all just sit, sit around, and just chat.
Andrew Lindsay:But we do have a kind of an agenda, and I think that's good. If nothing else, if if it helps people, go and get five people you know in business and take them out for a curry. I think you'd find out a lot of information very quickly. And I think you'll get five people in a room. It's gonna cost you, what, £150?
Gary Johannes:Yeah.
Andrew Lindsay:That's a good £150 spent, I reckon. Yeah. All that about.
Peter Ely:Yeah. Definitely. So thank you very much. Take care. Thank you for listening.
Peter Ely:We hope you've enjoyed this episode of Inspired Men talk, and we'll catch up with the next episode. Bye, gents.
Gary Johannes:Bye bye. Thank you.
